Big Murder (Spider-Man & Wolverine foe)

big_murder-as&w4-full BIG MURDER

Real Name: Unrevealed

Identity/Class: Human (at least formerly advanced technology-user)

Occupation: Drug-dealer (at least formerly);
former agent of Mojo

Group Membership: Partner of Czar;

Affiliations: Joan of Arc (presumably some alternate reality counterpart); he was very interested in Helen of Troy, although it is unrevealed whether he ever actually met her;
    at least formerly Mojo, an Orbling (presumably Marty);
    I don't know that he has any direct contact/affiliation/antagonism with the Orb, but Czar apparently would not have gained the time diamonds if Orb had not led his Orblings to rob that bank;
    presumably reasonably friendly relationship with his own recent past counterpart;

Enemies: Genghis Khan (presumably some alternate reality counterpart), Kang the Conqueror, Knights Templar (presumably some alternate reality counterpart), Minutemen, Spider-Man (Peter Parker), Time Variance Authority, Wolverine (James Howlett/Logan)

Known Relatives: None

Aliases: "B" (nickname from Czar)

Base of Operations: Unrevealed;
    at least formerly an apartment or something in Manhattan, New York;
    at least formerly an estate on an asteroid somewhen around the end of time;
    formerly mobile throughout time on various alterate Earths;
    formerly Mojoworld

First Appearance: (Identified and partially shown (shadowed/distant full body; voice)) Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#2 (September, 2010);
(fully shown) Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4 (February, 2011)
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Powers/Abilities: Big Murder possessed multiple forms of weaponry from across various times on Earth (past, present, future), with which he was highly proficient.

He wears a horned helmet, which presumably provides from protection to his head, metal gauntlets with large spikes extending from just above the wrist, and he has some sort of mp3 (or other audio file) player wired to earphone.

His arsenal varies, but he carries a crossbow and a large quiver of arrows; some grenades; a large cannon on his back; a battleaxe; nunchaks; some sort of flail weapon with spiked spheres on lines attached to a stick; a spear; a sword; a battleaxe; a large energy-blaster gun; various handguns; and a shield taken from the Knights Templar.

He was also -- according to Czar -- knows 1000 year old Kung Fu nobody else remembered and space-age forms of combat that had not even been invented yet.

Height: Unrevealed (approximately 3'2"")
Weight: Unrevealed (approximately 95 lbs.)
Eyes: Brown
Hair: Unrevealed (presumably black or dark brown)

History: (See comments)

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5 (fb) - BTS) - Temporally-powered diamonds grew on trees on a short-lived planet with an unstable core. The planet eventually exploded, scattering the diamonds throughout the cosmos.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#1 / Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5 (fb) - BTS) - An asteroid loaded with these diamonds struck Earth (at least Earth-10964, and possibly Earth-616) circa 65 million BC (the Cretaceous period's great extinction event). big_murder-as&w6-drugdealer

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#1 (fb) - BTS) - A number of these diamonds ended up in a safety deposit box at an unspecified bank in Manhattan, New York.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#6 (fb) - BTS) - Big Murder worked with the man known as Czar as drug dealers.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#1 - BTS) - The Orb (the one with an actual eye for a head; not Drake Shannon) and his Orblings robbed the bank that contained the time diamonds.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#1 - BTS) - Both Spider-Man and Wolverine arrived at the bank, and when one of the Orblings (Marty) discovered the diamonds and ran out to tell his boss, Spider-Man swung into him. Knocked out of Marty's hands, the time diamonds struck the ground, and then energies transported Spider-Man and Wolverine back in time circa 65 million B.C. where their actions diverged that reality to Earth-10964.
Some of this reality overlapped with Reality-616, causing persistence in Reality-616 of objects, etc. created in Reality-10964.

Time travel shenanigans happened...Big Murder's history may or may not jump forward to this point (or that point occurs before this point) before continuing on again...

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5 (fb) - BTS) - Discovering Czar and his Timestick (both bonded with time diamonds), Mojo employed him (and Big Murder) to allow them to produce shows taking place anywhere from the dawn to the end of time.

Mojo paid Czar and Big Murder "more money than the gross national products of most planets" for his services. big_murder-as&w5-cover

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5 (fb) - BTS) - Czar and Big Murder mocked Kang as "the ain't-never-conquered-$#*@."

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#3 (fb) - BTS) - Traveling through time and across realities, Czar and Big Murder encountered Genghis Khan in the deserts, presumably in the early 13^th century somewhere. According to Big Murder, Genghis "talked all crazy and then <Czar> ripped out his tongue and he was whimpering like a little baby."

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4 (fb) - BTS) - Czar and Big Murder brought Joan of Arc to their party at the end of time; they considered her to be a freak (a compliment on her excesses).

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#2) - Observing Earth-10964 remotely, Czar was pleased when Wolverine knocked out Spider-Man and took the "Phoenix Gun" from him to sacrifice himself instead to stop Doom the Living Planet.
Big Murder reminded Czar that the big man (Mojo) was paying them good money for "all this" and that the Czar always delivered.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#3) - Czar and Big Murder continued to monitor Wolverine and Spider-Man on Earth-10964.

After Wolverine had been slain using the "Phoenix Gun" to destroy Doom the Living Planet and then been resurrected by Spider-Man using a Cosmic Cube-ish deal, Wolverine attacked Spider-Man, having wanted to be reunited in death with his mother.

Big Murder advised that they could not let them kill each other, reminding Czar how upset the "Big Man" (Mojo) got when Czar let "the hairy one" die. Czar considered that it would be a good fight, but Big Murder countered that the hairy one was just a brawler while the other was all talk.

Resolving that the show must go on, as that was what the "Big Man," was paying for, Czar chose to use "the stick" (his bat embedded with "time diamonds") to send them somewhere (although he could not control where or when). big_murder-as&w4-withrecentpast

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#3- BTS) - Czar then struck the pair with his timestick, sending Wolverine to a world where he was a costumed performer about to battle a Spider-Man who was a champion in fighting (like against Crusher Hogan) and sending Spider-Man to a world where he was confronted by the feral youth James Howlett/Logan.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4) - Traveling through time and across realities, Czar and Big Murder confronted a group of Knights Templar (apparently around 1150 A.D.), who considered them to be a large moor and a gnome. Big Murder suggested that their sudden appearance had spooked the knights and asked if Czar wanted to kill some of them "before you feed the stick," but Czar declined, wishing to hear them "talk some crazy old medieval crap first."

After the knights brandished their swords, Czar struck one of the knights with his timestick to demonstrate its power, banishing the knight to Hiroshima (presumably at the time of the nuclear bombing, August 6, 1945).

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4 (fb) - BTS) - Czar and Big Murder slaughtered and/or banished the rest of the knights in a few seconds.

big_murder-as&w5-blastspdm (Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4) - Afterward, Czar noted that next time he wanted to do "Indians" (Native Americans) or pirates, the latter of which, at least, they had never done before, and Big Murder acknowledged this.

At Czar's direction, Big Murder then brought them "home," to an estate on an asteroid somewhen around the end of time. Although the place was filled with people and creatures from all time periods, Czar eventually considered that the party was getting stale and that they needed to grab some fresh faces...like Helen of Troy, whom Big Murder apparently repeatedly referenced, or Joan of Arc again.

Czar and Big Murder subsequently encountered counterparts of themselves. Although neither pair knew which of them was from the past vs. the future, the older Czar figured it out when the the other Czar noted that he had not yet "whooped on them Spider-Man and Wolverine dudes." After their past selves departed, Czar told Big Murder to come with him, as they had fools to slap, and they vanished to another place and time.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4) - After Spider-Man in the time with the feral James Howlett around 1900 A.D. had glimpses of various versions of himself throughout the times associated with the time diamond adventures, Big Murder smashed Spider-Man across a cavern. Big Murder subsequently confirmed to the stunned Spider-Man that they had had a fight, and that Spider-Man had not done too well. Czar then struck Spider-Man with his timestick.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4 (fb) - BTS) - Unnoticed by Czar or Big Murder at the time, Spider-Man stole one of his time diamonds.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4 - BTS) - Spider-Man and Wolverine found themselves tied to a stake that was being lit on fire, but Spider-Man revealed that he had at least one of the time diamonds.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5) - Big Murder accompanied Czar as he informed Mojo that he had discovered that Spider-Man had stolen one of his time diamonds and that Spider-Man and Wolverine were now traveling through time outside of his power.

    Spider-Man and Wolverine then arrived in Mojo's chambers, but as they charged, Czar smashed Wolverine back with his timestick, while Big Murder blasted Spider-Man away. Czar then froze time for both heroes, and Big Murder after mocking Spider-Man for nearly having a touching moment with the love interest Mojo's agent introduced -- retrieved the time diamond from Spider-Man (when asked where it was, Big Murder noted that Spider-Man didn't have any pockets in his outfit, so you figure it out). Big Murder further advised that they kill both Spider-Man and Wolverine, and Czar agreed, but before they could do anything about it, Wolverine -- using the Phoenix Force power he had gained via the Phoenix gun -- unleashed a burst of energy that restored temporal movement for himself and Spider-Man.

    Surprised, Big Murder asked how he had done that, and Spider-Man took advantage of the distraction to smash Big Murder in the face with an elbow, noting, "You can ask him when you wake up." However, Big Murder recovered and smashed Spider-Man back. However, Wolverine then took advantage of the additional distraction caused by Czar's future self coming to warn him of the threat to his existence and the whole world, and he sliced off Czar's right hand, stole his timestick, and transported himself and Spider-Man away.

    A Czar intermediate in age between the previous two then emerged through a time portal, warning his younger self what Wolverine was going to do, only to realize that he was too late.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5 - BTS) - Wolverine led Spider-Man to the short-lived planet on which's trees the time diamonds had grown, and the heroes used them to coat their claws and facemask/gloves/feet, respectively.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5) - As the youngest and eldest Czars argued, the youngest (present, relative to this story) Czar grabbed a gun from Big Murder and blew the eldest Czar's head off. Big Murder subsequently noted the return of Spider-Man and Wolverine.

    Spider-Man kicked the Middle-Aged Czar, taking him out of the fight (it was unclear whether he was knocked out or sent back to his own time, but I don't think we saw him again). big_murder-as&w5-baby

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5 (fb) - BTS) - Spider-Man hit Big Murder, whom the time diamonds turned into a baby.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5) - Having returned the timestick to Czar, Wolverine entered into a berserker rage while fully accessing the Phoenix Force and threatening to destroy all reality.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#6 (fb)) - Sitting by the infant Big Murder, Czar considered that they were dead.

After Spider-Man had talked down Wolverine and allowed him to apparently cast out the Phoenix Force, the Time Variance Authority's Minutemen arrived, pulling the Orb, Big Murder, and Czar through temporal portals.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#6 (fb) - BTS) - As the Minutemen reached for Spider-Man and Wolverine, however, Spider-Man accessed the last of the time diamonds they possessed, sending him, Wolverine and Sara Bailey (a woman who had been a teller at he initial bank robbery) back to the 19^th century.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#6 - BTS) - After three years, four months, and 13 days, the Minutemen appeared again, sending Spider-Man and Wolverine back to their own time, and they returned to the scene of the bank robbery, where the time diamonds vanished.

(Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#6) - One of the Orblings (possibly Marty), having escaped before the police arrived, had escaped with a number of the time diamonds. He sought out the drug dealer known as the Czar, hoping he could pay them well for them. Initially not interested, Czar reconsidered and sent Big Murder to get his bat.

Comments: Created by Jason Aaron, Adam Kubert, and Mark Morales.

The series was fun to read, but hard to make sense of. I was heavy on detail in the history rather than try to summarize/interpret what was happening...partly because I really could not make sense of it at the end.
Time travel shenanigans abound. Due to the order of the telling of the story and the revision of timelines by the TVA/Minutemen, etc., it is extremely difficult to tell Big Murder's history in a linear fashion (as it parallels Czar's).

Did Czar receive the time diamonds from an Orbling originally, or is that only how he got them after the reality of the bank robbery and the fate of the time diamonds was altered by the Time Variance Authority?

    Jason Aaron apparently has had a long-term desire to extend human history back to the time of the dinosaurs, as he has did so much in the pages of the Avengers series he wrote.
    This story predates those stories by several years. When I first read the story, it started out as seemingly having Spider-Man and Wolverine sent into their own past and diverging it, but it just seemed to work on the common misconception that Devil Dinosaur's history (with Moon-Boy being one of the Small Folk) took place on Earth-616. That made me really lose interest in the series, and I forgot about it. When Doom the Living Planet showed up in Aaron's Avengers Assemble arc, I didn't even recall he had created the character (or a version thereof) like a decade beforehand.
    Re-reading the series for this and other profiles, I got to enjoy it a lot more.
    Anyway, Devil Dinosaur and Moon-Boy (and those Small Folk) originated from Earth-78411 as confirmed by the original master of the obscure and guiding force of the Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe, Mark Gruenwald.
    Regardless, having reviewed and re-reviewed this series for this profile and a couple other issues, the story with Doom the Living Planet wiping out human society and the Small Folk -- who had survived via a time-traveling Wolverine's guidance -- are clearly part of an alternate timeline, Earth-10964...

This profile was completed 08/08/2024 but its publication was delayed, as it was intended for the Appendix's 25th anniversary celebratory event.

Profile by Snood.

CLARIFICATIONS:
Big Murder should be distinguished from:

MURDER (Sally ?? ) - Shatterforce. Female, uses armor to generate nerve rays which paralyze her victims--Nova II#8
MURDER-1 of the Microverse ( ) - mutated in Karza's Body Banks, Prisonworld--Micronauts I#54
MURDER CLANS (Brutus Klor ) - extradimensional, unidentified splinter realm, battled malevolent entity in Otherplace--[Magik II#3]
MURDER GIRLS - fought Fight-Man--[Fight Man I#1]
MURDER, Inc. - --Marvel Mystery Comics#60
MURDER MACHINE - robot of Psycho-Man, sent to fight Fantastic Four in Sub-Atomica. Superhuman strength + durability, become intangible--Fantastic Four I#76
MURDER MACHINE - machine created by Nighthawk to test his jet packs, destroyed by Hulk--Defenders I#59
MURDER MANSION - home of Black Jack Tarr--Master of Kung Fu I#17
MURDER MODULE - US Army weapon, hijacked by Leader to use against Hulk, damaged by Rhino and exploded after attacked him--Incredible Hulk II#123
MURDER MOLE - summoned by Dire Wraiths, probably mutate of Mole Man--Rom#20
MURDER MOUNTAIN - circa World War II, weapon of General Skul, used against the Skywolfs, destroyed by them. Immense tank-vehicle underneath a mountain-like structure, mobile, armed with cannons and the Tangler--Marvel Fanfare I#16
MURDER MOUNTAIN LODGE - base of Dr. Kurakill--Iron Man I#79
MURDER TROLLS ( ) - mercenary assassins; some sent by Dormammu to slay Clea, overpowered by Brunnhilde the Valkyrie and ensorceled by Clea--Fearless Defenders#7
MURDER UNLIMITED - --USA Comics#5
MURDERER of WISHES, PRAYERS, and LOVE - see DREAMKILLER--Darkhawk I Annual#2
MURDERING BUTTERFLY (Dr. Vitrioli) - see BUTTERFLY--Captain America Comics#3
"MURDERING TORCH" - see Elk Diamond--Suspense I#18/5
MURDERLAND - Arcade's base, adapted from Mordillo's Island--Thing II#1
MURDERMALL - Arcade base--Merry X-Men Holiday Special#1
MURDEROUS LION - 1935, fought for right to be Bride of Nine Spiders' lover, died battling her--Immortal Weapons#2
MURDEROUS MASTER of SOUND - see KLAW--Fantastic Four I#53
MURDEROUS MIMES ( ) - criminals led by General, sought to terminate Spider-Man--Peter Parker: Spider-Man#21
MURDERWORLD - name for any of Arcade’s bases equipped with deadly weapons based on games--Marvel Team-Up I#66
other "Big" or "Murder" characters, groups, items, events, race or places

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Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4, story pg. 3, panel 1 (full);
       pg. 7, panel 1 (with past self);
    #5 cover (on Czar's arm);
       pg. 8, panel 2 (shooting Spider-Man with giant gun);
       pg. 9, panel 3 (face; word);
       pg. 22, panel 6 (baby);
    #6, pg. 20, panel 4 (as drug dealer);

Appearances:
Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#1 (July, 2010) - Jason Aaron (writer), Adam Kubert (penciler), Mark Morales w/ Dexer Vines (inker), Daniel Ketchum (associate editor), Nick Lowe (editor)
Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#2 (September, 2010) - Jason Aaron (writer), Adam Kubert (penciler), Mark Morales (inker), Daniel Ketchum (associate editor), Nick Lowe (editor)
Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#3 (November, 2010) - Jason Aaron (writer), Adam Kubert (penciler), Mark Morales (inker), Jake Thomas (assistant editor), Daniel Ketchum (associate editor), Nick Lowe (editor)
Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#4 (February, 2011) - Jason Aaron (writer), Adam Kubert (penciler), Mark Morales (inker), Jake Thomas (assistant editor), Daniel Ketchum (associate editor), Nick Lowe (editor)
Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#5 (May, 2011) - Jason Aaron (writer), Adam Kubert (penciler), Mark Roslan (digital inker), Sebastian Girner (assistant editor), Daniel Ketchum (associate editor), Nick Lowe (editor) - Justin Ponsor was listed as one of the writers in the credits for this issue. Justin was a great artist (and a nice guy!), and he usually worked as a colorist. His credit as colorist was in the same position in the credits in the other issues, an the trade paperback confirmed he was the colorist and not a writer of the series).
Astonishing Spider-Man and Wolverine#6 (July, 2011) - Jason Aaron (writer), Adam Kubert (penciler), Mark Roslan (digital inker), Sebastian Girner (assistant editor), Daniel Ketchum (associate editor), Nick Lowe (editor)

First posted: 09/07/2026
Last updated: 08/08/2024

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